I make digital collages with poems, and traditional collages with poems in boxes. Usually we think of words as abstractions and nature as something concrete, but in these pieces words also take on concreteness and elements of nature become abstract. The idea of the unknowable territory of relationships finds its form in nature and language in my work. Some of the images show writing or printing where letters are recognizable though the whole looks foreign or like an ancient alphabet. This is what I call visual automatic writing. The Surrealists and Dadaists practiced automatic writing, writing whatever came to mind without editing. In visual automatic writing I do this but place the letters visually, not sequentially to form words that are readable. This allows the alphabet as form to have emphasis, its meaning obscured. I am interested in layers of revealed and obscured meaning. I use paintings, photographs, and found objects in my work, and also explore the shapes of letters in paintings, always writing automatically as I go.